How much did partner show?

Poll: How much did partner show? (36 member(s) have cast votes)

How much did partner show?

Pass (29 votes [80.56%])
Percentage of vote: 80.56%
3N (5 votes [13.89%])
Percentage of vote: 13.89%
4D (0 votes [0.00%])
Percentage of vote: 0.00%
Redouble (2 votes [5.56%])
Percentage of vote: 5.56%

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#21 Guest_Jlall_*

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Posted 2008-May-05, 18:24

awm, on May 5 2008, 06:54 PM, said:

I'm curious that so many people seem to like to play (1♦)-2♦ here as natural and (1♦)-2♥ as michaels. Certainly it can be useful to have a natural diamond call available, but is michaels really better than a weak two in hearts?

A lot of people just prefer to overcall 1 with most weakish hand and 6 hearts anyways, so losing the weak 2 overcall isn't bad if you're one of those people.

#22 gnasher

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Posted 2008-May-06, 01:24

If I had to give up something, I'd rather keep the weak jump overcall and lose the Michaels cue-bid.

Jlall, on May 6 2008, 01:24 AM, said:

A lot of people just prefer to overcall 1 with most weakish hand and 6 hearts anyways, so losing the weak 2 overcall isn't bad if you're one of those people.

Those would be the people one only ever meets in the first round of a Swiss event, wouldn't they?

... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn

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Posted 2008-May-06, 01:54

gnasher, on May 6 2008, 02:24 AM, said:

If I had to give up something, I'd rather keep the weak jump overcall and lose the Michaels cue-bid.

Jlall, on May 6 2008, 01:24 AM, said:

A lot of people just prefer to overcall 1 with most weakish hand and 6 hearts anyways, so losing the weak 2 overcall isn't bad if you're one of those people.

Those would be the people one only ever meets in the first round of a Swiss event, wouldn't they?

Well I am certainly one of those people. I would say it is a very common style among the top US players (meckstroth, hamman, levin, etc). I have noticed that europeans/aussies tend to be much more aggressive in their weak jump overcalls. These days if it's up to me I prefer to not even play WJO when vul, and play them when NV but would guess that of hands in the range of 5-10 with 6 hearts I overcall 1 rather than 2 4 times as often.

#24 gnasher

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Posted 2008-May-06, 02:11

Jlall, on May 6 2008, 08:54 AM, said:

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Those would be the people one only ever meets in the first round of a Swiss event, wouldn't they?

Well I am certainly one of those people.

Well, you probably would only ever meet me in the first round of a Swiss.

... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn

#25 gnasher

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Posted 2008-May-06, 03:44

Jlall, on May 6 2008, 08:54 AM, said:

These days if it's up to me I prefer to not even play WJO when vul

Since I started playing bridge in the 1980s, English players have moved from intermediate jump overcalls to weak, from a Multi 2D back to weak twos in the majors, and (to some extent) from a weak notrump to a strong notrump. Curiously, US bridge seems to be going in the opposite direction.

... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn

#26 cherdano

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Posted 2008-May-06, 10:29

US bridge is moving from weak twos to Multi, and from strong NT to weak NT?

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#27 han

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Posted 2008-May-06, 10:36

Haven't you noticed the secret underground multi movement Arend? That's where the weak notrumpers hang out as well.

Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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#28 gnasher

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Posted 2008-May-06, 10:47

Perhaps I'm inferring too much from a small set of data, but on my occasional visits to NABCs both have seemed to be more common than they used to be. Aren't they?

... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn

#29 awm

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Posted 2008-May-06, 10:51

Multi is somewhat popular in the events where it's allowed to be played. I think there's a perception that ACBL has gone so far out of its way to ban multi, it must actually be a good convention. And the fact that many players lack experience against it (again because ACBL has tried so hard to restrict it) makes it more effective than it should be. On the other hand, some of the people playing multi are foreigners too (NABCs have very international field).

Weak notrump seems to be on a down swing at the moment as best I can tell.

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