[Jlall]

jdonn, on Apr 15 2010, 08:09 PM, said:

Actually in hindsight I think you're right, my bad. Although 4♦ could work out well so maybe it's close.

It's ok when I say it it makes more sense than clee obv

[mike777]

jillybean, on Apr 14 2010, 07:16 PM, said:

Scoring: MP

2♣:2♦*
3♦:

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*2♦ waiting, A or K
2♥ would be bust

easy 4d...np yet.

Pard has 10+ winners...I have 1.5 or so.....

I dont see a second choice.

[MinorKid]

rogerclee, on Apr 15 2010, 01:34 AM, said:

It's actually not easy to come up with a 2C then 3D hand for opener where 3N is right.

I totally argee with it.
One of the reason they call me MinorKid.

So let's make the 3NT a descriptive forcing bid, to 4NT perhaps.
Just for this example hand. If 3NT is forcing i can't see any better bids!
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IMO we know we have at least 11 tricks. All we have to find:
♣ second round control, in priority.
♥ control
♠ control
♦ AKQJ...
so we support immediately, 4♦ then 5♣.

[jukmoi]

rogerclee, on Apr 15 2010, 01:34 AM, said:

Just to add to how ridiculous passing 3N is

A AKx AKQxxx Kxx
void AKx AKQxxxx Kxx
Ax AKx AKQxxx Kx
etc etc

are all automatic 3N bids over 3S and all are cold for 7D or 7N. These examples aren't even contrived, they are totally standard hands for partner on this auction. It's actually not easy to come up with a 2C then 3D hand for opener where 3N is right.

OK. You have convinced me, as responder 4♦ is best. Bidding 3♠ and passing 3NT/4♠ was just a gut reaction.

[rogerclee]

MinorKid, on Apr 15 2010, 09:38 PM, said:

So let's make the 3NT a descriptive forcing bid, to 4NT perhaps.

I am completely against this heh.

[MinorKid]

rogerclee, on Apr 16 2010, 03:42 AM, said:

MinorKid, on Apr 15 2010, 09:38 PM, said:

So let's make the 3NT a descriptive forcing bid, to 4NT perhaps.

I am completely against this heh.

It depends on how strong a 2♣ opener rebids 3♦.
I will play it as 20+HCP and/or 11 tricks.

[hanp]

11 tricks???

That;s not a healthy agreement imo.

[pooltuna]

hanp, on Apr 16 2010, 10:55 AM, said:

11 tricks???

That;s not a healthy agreement imo.

Last time I checked you needed 11 tricks to score up a minor suit game This of course assumes you have to bypass 3NT because you probably won't take 9 tricks in time.

[jdonn]

pooltuna, on Apr 16 2010, 11:08 AM, said:

hanp, on Apr 16 2010, 10:55 AM, said:

11 tricks???

That;s not a healthy agreement imo.

Last time I checked you needed 11 tricks to score up a minor suit game This of course assumes you have to bypass 3NT because you probably won't take 9 tricks in time.

So by your logic you need 11 tricks to open 1♣?

[mohitz]

jdonn, on Apr 16 2010, 11:15 PM, said:

pooltuna, on Apr 16 2010, 11:08 AM, said:

hanp, on Apr 16 2010, 10:55 AM, said:

11 tricks???

That;s not a healthy agreement imo.

Last time I checked you needed 11 tricks to score up a minor suit game This of course assumes you have to bypass 3NT because you probably won't take 9 tricks in time.

So by your logic you need 11 tricks to open 1♣?

good agreement IMO. A plus score is always nice!

[pooltuna]

jdonn, on Apr 16 2010, 12:45 PM, said:

pooltuna, on Apr 16 2010, 11:08 AM, said:

hanp, on Apr 16 2010, 10:55 AM, said:

11 tricks???

That;s not a healthy agreement imo.

Last time I checked you needed 11 tricks to score up a minor suit game This of course assumes you have to bypass 3NT because you probably won't take 9 tricks in time.

So by your logic you need 11 tricks to open 1♣?

gee I hope not! Else I really convoluted my logic worse than normal

[MinorKid]

2♣ 2♥
2♣ 2♠
20+ or >9 tricks

2♣ 3♣
2♣ 3♦
20+ or >10 tricks

IMO weaker than that just open one.

Okay "3NT is forcing" is a joke.

[aguahombre]

when the above makes sense to me, I will stop drinking

[MinorKid]

Honestly speaking both 3♠ and 4♦ is not better than just showing an outside stopper.

Last but not least, don't waste bidding spaces if one is not very fear of missing responses/overcalls, opener.

[the hog]

aguahombre, on Apr 17 2010, 11:32 AM, said:

when the above makes sense to me, I will stop drinking

When it makes sense to me I will start drinking more.

[Winstonm]

I bid a healthy-agreement 10-trick 4 DIAMONDS.