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#1 User is offline   paulg 

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Posted 2010-August-27, 09:56

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Pass (1♥) ?

Adverse vulnerability opposite a passed partner. What's your poison?
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Posted 2010-August-27, 10:07

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Posted 2010-August-27, 10:08

3♣ for me shows this hand 5♠/5♣
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Posted 2010-August-27, 10:12

Pass...that Qx in hearts is not good news for offence....and the vulnerability sucks.
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Posted 2010-August-27, 10:39

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Posted 2010-August-27, 10:44

Since I use ghestem with reg pards the heart says 2♥ is a possibility, but the head prefers pass.
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Posted 2010-August-27, 10:48

2♥
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Posted 2010-August-27, 10:51

If you bid anything you're pretty much doing it ONLY for the preemptive value; the "we might find a sacrifice" horse and the "it might be our hand and LHO might be about to preempt partner" horse are either longshots or nonexistent.

♣A-empty, ♥Q-x, ♦-- look like things that might cause the opps to do down. PASS.
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Posted 2010-August-27, 11:13

Apollo81, on Aug 27 2010, 11:51 AM, said:

If you bid anything you're pretty much doing it ONLY for the preemptive value; the "we might find a sacrifice" horse and the "it might be our hand and LHO might be about to preempt partner" horse are either longshots or nonexistent.

♣A-empty, ♥Q-x, ♦-- look like things that might cause the opps to do down.  PASS.

Actually, the Qx of hearts, which is so horrible for offence that I passed, is great on defence IF we show a 2-suiter. I'd expect to win the heart Q much of the time if I defend after showing a 2-suiter, but red v white, it's too easy to be going 500 or 800 against 420 or less.
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Posted 2010-August-27, 11:38

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Posted 2010-August-27, 16:33

For the record bidding on the hand will get you -800 against -460.

I just saw this hand at a random table and wondered how many would succumb to "6-5 come alive". Clearly this hand has a bunch of negatives and it's probably worse if you are not playing specific two-suiters.

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Posted 2010-August-27, 16:59

1S and pass are pretty close, I'd probably go with 1S to try and score my HQ but idk.
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Posted 2010-August-27, 19:09

If playing Raptor (where 1N shows 5+ clubs and exactly 4 of an unknown major) I would consider treating my spades as a 4-bagger and doing that.

Probably not at these colors, though - I'd just hope the opponents bid to an uncontested suit game and then go down when things split badly.
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Posted 2010-August-27, 21:02

1S. Definitely NOT pass.
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Posted 2010-August-27, 21:13

definitely pass. I don't want partner leading spades against their heart contract, and I don't want to give opps any distributional clues to help them play the hand, so 1♠ and michaels are both out, and I'm not preempting 2 ♠ or 3♣ on this, either, at unfavorable.
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Posted 2010-August-27, 21:46

CSGibson, on Aug 28 2010, 10:13 AM, said:

definitely pass. I don't want partner leading spades against their heart contract, and I don't want to give opps any distributional clues to help them play the hand, so 1♠ and michaels are both out, and I'm not preempting 2 ♠ or 3♣ on this, either, at unfavorable.

How about them leading something against your 4S contract?
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Posted 2010-August-27, 22:02

CSGibson, on Aug 27 2010, 10:13 PM, said:

I don't want partner leading spades against their heart contract

Sorry I have to lol you here.

Actually it is a pretty common problem I see that people don't realize who will be on lead when considering lead implications of a certain bid. But RHO will be declaring hearts so I wouldn't worry about it here!

Of course LHO might play diamonds or NT and we might get a bad lead because of our overcall, it was just funny since you specifically said a heart contract :P

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and I don't want to give opps any distributional clues to help them play the hand


I agree that this should probably rule 2H out, but I think it might be advantageous to overcall 1S for this reason. They are likely to misguess hearts (if they have to guess the queen) after our bid, and will not guess we have 6 clubs or no diamonds after our overcall. Overall I think 1S will make them MISguess the play more than guess it which is unusual (and maybe I'm wrong).
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Posted 2010-August-27, 23:57

IF the vul were FAV

who's for 2C or 3C


then back in
(under certain conditions)
with spades later?
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Posted 2010-August-28, 00:09

jkdood, on Aug 28 2010, 12:57 AM, said:

IF the vul were FAV

who's for 2C or 3C


then back in
(under certain conditions)
with spades later?
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Maybe with a few more aces!
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Posted 2010-August-28, 01:51

JLOGIC, on Aug 27 2010, 09:02 PM, said:

CSGibson, on Aug 27 2010, 10:13 PM, said:

I don't want partner leading spades against their heart contract

Sorry I have to lol you here.

Dammit, good catch.
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