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Preference?

Poll: What now? (25 member(s) have cast votes)

What now?

  1. Pass (23 votes [92.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 92.00%

  2. 2H (2 votes [8.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.00%

  3. Other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   Echognome 

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Posted 2010-September-21, 12:39

Scoring: MP

1♥ - 1♠;
2♣ - ?


Stick or twist?
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Posted 2010-September-21, 12:55

Cannot imagine bidding. Even if I played 2D = weak preference (or GF) I would still pass.
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Posted 2010-September-21, 13:01

pass...

I'd like a little more strength to make the preference, since partner may bid again with a near jumpshift, and my hand isn't likely to be good for him. And, at the other end of the spectrum, if he is weak, the 4=4 (I dream of 4=5) fit may be enough to salvage 90 as opposed to -50 or may push at 110

Even if partner has manufactured a 3 card bid, with an awkward hand, our poor result in 2♣ (if it is a poor result) may be matched by a poor result when he bids over 2♥ anyway.

BTW, the normal lead against 2♣ on these auctions is a trump and that is likely to be good for us on this hand.
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Posted 2010-September-21, 15:55

Pass.
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Posted 2010-September-21, 15:59

It seems the only difference of opinion between Mike and Phil is about the number of words needed. I agree with every word of both.
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Posted 2010-September-21, 16:16

wtp
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Posted 2010-September-22, 13:29

Scoring: MP

1♥ - 1♠;
2♣ - All Pass


Lead: ♠J
Result: +110
MP: 10 out of 11
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Posted 2010-September-22, 13:40

I guess we passed the quiz. Seems like plus 90 is more likely, so the big 10 of 11 was a gift above the perhaps 7 MP
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Posted 2010-September-22, 13:42

aguahombre, on Sep 22 2010, 12:40 PM, said:

I guess we passed the quiz.

So did I. Just surprised it was worth 10 out of 11. I did understand that sometimes you give preference with 2-4, but thought the hand was too weak for that action.
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Posted 2010-September-22, 13:49

Echognome, on Sep 22 2010, 12:42 PM, said:

aguahombre, on Sep 22 2010, 12:40 PM, said:

I guess we passed the quiz.

So did I. Just surprised it was worth 10 out of 11. I did understand that usually you give preference with 2-4, but thought the hand was too weak for that action.

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Posted 2010-September-22, 14:15

I might have tried 2S in the passout seat.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-September-23, 03:09

We have the strange agreement that 2♣ is forcing here (12-20). Because of that, Opener would probably choose to bid 1NT iso 2♣.
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Posted 2010-September-23, 03:44

Echognome, on Sep 22 2010, 07:42 PM, said:

I did understand that sometimes you give preference with 2-4, but thought the hand was too weak for that action.

You usually give preference if the hand is too STRONG. Here's why:

xx
AKQxx
Kx
KQxx

Axxx
Jx
Qxx
Jxxx

If you decide to pass 2♣, you might miss out on a good 3NT, which you would reach if you had bid it

1♥ 1♠
2♣ 2♥
2NT 3NT

So you should pass with a 4-2 if the hand is weak, not strong.
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Posted 2010-September-23, 03:49

Hi,

if 2C showed a 4 card suit, this is a wtp pass.
if 2C could be based on 3 cards, I would most likely bid 2H.

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Marlowe

PS: I am not good at analyzing - but 2H makes as well?
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Posted 2010-September-23, 03:49

Nuno said:

So you should pass with a 4-2 if the hand is weak, not strong.

And that is exactly what Echognome said :)

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Posted 2010-September-23, 07:53

gwnn, on Sep 23 2010, 09:49 AM, said:

Nuno said:

So you should pass with a 4-2 if the hand is weak, not strong.

And that is exactly what Echognome said :)

Are you coming to the Azores?

Right. I read it the other way around lol.

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Posted 2010-September-23, 09:37

Echognome, on Sep 22 2010, 07:42 PM, said:

aguahombre, on Sep 22 2010, 12:40 PM, said:

I guess we passed the quiz.

So did I. Just surprised it was worth 10 out of 11. I did understand that sometimes you give preference with 2-4, but thought the hand was too weak for that action.

That's not because of the bidding. You made 9 tricks in C, which is quite impossible against normal defense. A natural line would be cashing two H trick, and you'll get ruffed, three diamonds and another H would put you down one. Even if you play C to CK at trick two, then you can play SK to pitch a diamond. Still, your opp can ruff your second H later with CQ, then play DK and D low to partner's Q, his partner can draw CA and Cx, In that case, you can only make 8 tricks. So at the table, your opp probably cashed DA and DK instead.
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Posted 2010-September-23, 09:38

P_Marlowe, on Sep 23 2010, 04:49 AM, said:

PS: I am not good at analyzing - but 2H makes as well?

Club ace followed by four diamonds looks like a straightforward way to six tricks on defense in hearts -- many other ways as well. I'm sure a couple North players rebid 2H over 1S.

I like pass; I'm not sure a hand where one strain splits 3-2 and the other 5-1 proves its merit but like it nonetheless.
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