[1eyedjack]

When playing pickup games and indis I have taken to calling up the basic stats of my partner in MyHands in a separate window, to review average imps or MPs per hand over the last couple of months. It is not particularly reliable and to be taken with a pinch of salt (you have no idea of the competence of his partners and opponents or of whether his other partners are regulars), but is perhaps more reliable than the self-assessment stated in profile.

You have to take care not to hold up the game, so do it when dummy or not your turn to bid.

But it occurs to me that BBO could make the exercise a bit more painless by auto-imprinting those stats in the visible profile of the player. They are a matter of public record and all that BBO would be doing is making it a little easier to access information that is available anyway.

Just a thought.

[Free]

It's been a while since someone suggested ratings, now there's a plea for stats, which is basically the same imo. I'm not a fan.

[1eyedjack]

Free, on 2011-August-08, 04:10, said:

It's been a while since someone suggested ratings, now there's a plea for stats, which is basically the same imo. I'm not a fan.

I think that there is a risk of confusing two separate questions:
(1) whether, as a community, we should favour the public availability of stats/ratings etc however you name it, and
(2) whether we should favour improving the efficiency with which information should be accessible that, as a community, we have already decided that it is beneficial to be available.

It is perfectly relevant to question whether, as a community, we should have available the last two months' average IMPS/MPs etc for a player. For the time being the community, or perhaps the management without consultation, has decided that it is beneficial to have it available. That is a decision which, with sufficient public support, has the potential to be reversed, but for the time being that is the way it is.

The second question, whether it should be made more or less onerous to identify the information which, for better or worse, it has been decided should be available, is the specific question that I address in this thread, and in that respect I regard Free's response as being irrelevant.

[Free]

1eyedjack, on 2011-August-08, 04:59, said:

The second question, whether it should be made more or less onerous to identify the information which, for better or worse, it has been decided should be available, is the specific question that I address in this thread, and in that respect I regard Free's response as being irrelevant.

Instead of making a huge leap to put stats in our profiles (which is a rating factor for you apparently - and I guess you're not alone), you're suggesting a little step which will get us closer to this same "goal". If BBO adds a button <get stats> to everyone's profile, your next suggestion will be to put the stats there immediately so you don't need to press a button. Same information, more efficient access - again. How is my comment irrelevant now?

[Bbradley62]

1eyedjack, on 2011-August-06, 12:20, said:

But it occurs to me that BBO could make the exercise a bit more painless by auto-imprinting those stats in the visible profile of the player.

Free, on 2011-August-08, 05:48, said:

If BBO adds a button <get stats> to everyone's profile, your next suggestion will be to put the stats there immediately so you don't need to press a button. Same information, more efficient access - again. How is my comment irrelevant now?

Your comment is irrelevant now because Jack did not suggested the half-step of adding a <get stats> button, he suggested putting the actual stats right there in the profile.

[hotShot]

Call it stats or call it rating it is basically the same thing.

I would suggest to make the the myhands data only available to the players involved, unless it is a vugraph of some kind.

[Free]

hotShot, on 2011-August-08, 06:55, said:

Call it stats or call it rating it is basically the same thing.

My point exactly, but apparently that's irrelevant...

[helene_t]

terrible idea. rating is already a bad idea and this is worse because it gives us all the social issues related to rating while only giving us a very shaky performance indicator.

I agree with hotshot that myhands should be available only for the players involved.

[1eyedjack]

hotShot, on 2011-August-08, 06:55, said:

I would suggest to make the the myhands data only available to the players involved, unless it is a vugraph of some kind.

I would be perfectly happy with that.
Possibly to include available to a table host to whom the player has applied to sit.

[paulg]

I would be surprised if the BBO management made a concious decision to publish the two-month average imps/mps of a player. I expect it is more of a side-effect of just providing the hands. I wonder how many people are using the myhands database in this way. I'm guessing it used to be in single figures but this thread might cause it to rise!

I would not like to see the myhands database become limited just to the players involved in a hand. This would make it more difficult for the average web-based user to use BBO. Also for people like me who help and coach a lot of intermediate players, they would be unable to share their problem hands with me easily.

At this moment in time, I am happy for the OP to use the myhands data to make decisions. If someone starts using the data to publish unweighted ratings then I suspect/hope BBO will quickly remove the imps/board information and related travellers, but leave the hands as played.

[1eyedjack]

paulg, on 2011-August-08, 08:48, said:

I would not like to see the myhands database become limited just to the players involved in a hand.

I agree. To be clear, that is not what is suggested, but instead that visibility of the proposed summary to be auto-imported from MyHands into the player's profile be limited only to that player and players seated at his table. There was never (at least in this thread, to date) a suggestion to limit access to the MyHands website in relation to those who choose to hunt around there.

[1eyedjack]

Another alternative tweak would be to say that the proposed stat figures are completely hidden in the profile if the user elects to self assess his ability as "private", but only become visible (to players at table) if the user has self-assessed some other ability such as Expert.

[Bbradley62]

1eyedjack, on 2011-August-08, 10:12, said:

There was never (at least in this thread, to date) a suggestion to limit access to the MyHands website in relation to those who choose to hunt around there.

Ummm... Maybe you didn't see:

hotShot, on 2011-August-08, 06:55, said:

I would suggest to make the the myhands data only available to the players involved, unless it is a vugraph of some kind.

and:

helene_t, on 2011-August-08, 07:35, said:

I agree with hotshot that myhands should be available only for the players involved.

[babalu1997]

helene_t, on 2011-August-08, 07:35, said:

I agree with hotshot that myhands should be available only for the players involved.

no, no terrible idea
maershall miles plays veyr late in the night and i go to my hands to watch him play the next day

what i think is this:

if one is sufficiently anal retentive to go searching play statistics in order to play main bridge and free games, then, DO IT!!!!!, go to my hands or subscribe to that software service that provides it.

i always hate blanket solutions to selfish problems

[1eyedjack]

Bbradley62, on 2011-August-08, 11:34, said:

Ummm... Maybe you didn't see

I did see it, but interpreted it in context. Throughout the thread the only suggestion that has ever been put forward is to auto-insert some basic stats into the player's profile that are already available from (and would have been derived from) the data in the MyHands database. I had assumed, as I think is the only reasonable assumption, that Hotshot's suggestion of "making myhands only available to etc etc" was merely a sloppy abbreviation of "making the stats derived from MyHands as shown in the player's profile only available to etc etc".

[JLOGIC]

Keep in mind that I generally really like you as a poster, but are you drunk? Hotshot could hardly have been more clear. Your interpretation is like looking for some obscure 0.1 % squeeze when you are just in a normal contract on a finesse

[Bbradley62]

1eyedjack, on 2011-August-08, 11:49, said:

I did see it, but interpreted it in context.

I think it's clear that you misinterpreted, but hopefully HotShot and Helene will explain this to you.

Edit: Remember that I agree with your original suggestion; it's just that it's nice to understand those who are arguing against you.

This post has been edited by Bbradley62: 2011-August-08, 11:58

[hotShot]

Just to make it clear:

My suggestion would be to limit the access to those who played the hand.

The statistical data from myhands are worthless without the context the scores were reached.
A result could come from:
random 4 people fooling around in the MBC
4 board free Indi
...
15 board club match
....
2 established partnership playing seriously in a team match with equivalent 2nd pairs
(and keep in mind that 2 WC-teams could have a close match, while a beginner team wins big over a team of novices.)

Beside the situation a the table, there is additional randomness from the other tables, because your score will change if someone decides to punish his partner with a redbl or by overbidding to 7.

[Lurpoa]

1eyedjack, on 2011-August-06, 12:20, said:

When playing pickup games and indis I have taken to calling up the basic stats of my partner in MyHands in a separate window, to review average imps or MPs per hand over the last couple of months. It is not particularly reliable and to be taken with a pinch of salt (you have no idea of the competence of his partners and opponents or of whether his other partners are regulars), but is perhaps more reliable than the self-assessment stated in profile.

You have to take care not to hold up the game, so do it when dummy or not your turn to bid.

But it occurs to me that BBO could make the exercise a bit more painless by auto-imprinting those stats in the visible profile of the player. They are a matter of public record and all that BBO would be doing is making it a little easier to access information that is available anyway.

Just a thought.

♥

Can you explain how you get to those stats ?

I cannot find them.

Thank YOU

♥

[Free]

Lurpoa, on 2011-August-09, 02:42, said:

♥

Can you explain how you get to those stats ?

I cannot find them.

Thank YOU

♥

Just google "BBO myhands", first link.