[ggwhiz]

benlessard, on 2012-May-25, 14:46, said:

I jsut want to make sure that you understand that its crazy to make a 6C bid (try for 7) with only 3/8 working cards.

With both black Aces (needed for the grand) it's mandatory.

[rmnka447]

Pass

It's just possible that partner has something like ♦ xxxx and knows that you are void. Additionally, having a stiff ♣ and great cards in the majors, partner might well bid 6 ♥ knowing it's got a very good chance of making.

[phil_20686]

He knows that we are void because we told him we are void?!?
It seems Implausible to me that partner would raise to 6 with one black ace when he had pass and pull available to make a slam try ( this is a fp auction for me). Also on the constructions where partner has xxx x in the minors it's near certain that 7d is cheap against game.
Not sure I would be brave enough to do it the table though.
Also do not understand this partnership harmony. I assume that partner will think I am trying to get the best possible score, so why will he be upset if it doesn't work?

[MrAce]

benlessard, on 2012-May-25, 14:46, said:

Maybe im not on the same planet but sfter opener showed a void (its in their suit so 3D is a splinter and 4D is a void) there are 8 working cards.

I disagree with you that 4♦ showed a void. You are making assumptions about the differences between 3 and 4 ♦ bids. I think pd can have a lot of hands with 2 aces and one of them being ♦ ace.

But lets accept that pd knew we are void in ♦ for the sake of argument. And he also holds both remaining Aces and bids 6♥ only ? And lets accept this too (just to please you) are you really making grand ? Dont you have any concerns about ♥ suit when RHO bid minors ? Or do you believe pd not only has to hold both remaining aces but also heart Q ?

Axxxx
Txxx
Jxx
A

FYI, i personally play 3♦ over 1NT for big hands and long hearts ( forcing in my suit - self splinter ) Some people play it ♠ fit and splinter but a light splinter etc etc. What you wrote about 4♦ showing void is not what you think it is for everyone.

[phil_20686]

It doesnt seem to me that opener has shown a monster hand here. This is a "potentially contested auction" where partner should try to make the bid that will leave us well positioned over 5d when he has a void diamond and forsees the likely outcome. KJxx AKxxxx - Qxx is already plenty for 4d imo. Partner leaping to 6H with the trump ace and no club control is impossible. The danger is that he has a club singleton. Axxxxx Qx xxxx x for example, should probably leap to slam. If this is partners hand 7S is could be good sac against 6 diamonds!!

[Fluffy]

phil_20686, on 2012-May-30, 08:22, said:

Axxxxx Qx xxxx x for example, should probably leap to slam. If this is partners hand 7S is could be good sac against 6 diamonds!!

Pretty close to what partner actually had, she had Axxxxx Q10xx QJ x, even with that hand we had 4 defensive tricks to their diamond contract.