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Wow! are we using cards from the same deck?

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Posted 2012-December-12, 06:54



A hand from last night, partner opens 14-17nt :)
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Posted 2012-December-12, 06:59

This looks like a good hand for Finch "pro".
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Posted 2012-December-12, 07:13

What's wrong with 5NT?
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Posted 2012-December-12, 07:15

Pick a slam?
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Posted 2012-December-12, 07:17

Well the worst hand partner can have (assuming he has an ace) is something like KJx, Ax, QJxx, QJxx so it's difficult to believe 7N is ZP. It's just possible if he ever upgrades that KJ10, Ax, Q109x, QJ109 is there so 7♥ at teams is plausible to give you the ruffing club hook.

I just ask for aces and kings then think, it is very likely to be a no brainer.
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Posted 2012-December-12, 07:55

I ask for aces, and I don't even worry about kings. If there are not 13 top tricks in 7NT, then there is probably a finesse or a squeeze for 13 tricks.

If we are off an ace, 6NT should be the right spot. We have a minimum of 34 HCP so partner must have the missing kings and making 12 tricks is not a problem.
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Posted 2012-December-12, 08:18

Cool story. Boring bridge problem. ;)
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Posted 2012-December-12, 08:47

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Posted 2012-December-12, 09:08

View PostTWO4BRIDGE, on 2012-December-12, 08:47, said:

Time to dust off the dreaded Gerber .

First you'd have to dig him up. :P
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Posted 2012-December-12, 09:44

View Postbillw55, on 2012-December-12, 08:18, said:

Cool story. Boring bridge problem. ;)

I expected it to be a boring, flat board too but it turned into a 5.5/8
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Posted 2012-December-12, 09:54

View Postjillybean, on 2012-December-12, 07:15, said:

Pick a slam?
In a sense - but the options are 6NT or 7NT, so I guess "quant" is a better description.
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Posted 2012-December-12, 10:17

View PostAntrax, on 2012-December-12, 09:54, said:

In a sense - but the options are 6NT or 7NT, so I guess "quant" is a better description.

So you must play 1N 4N as ace ask?
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Posted 2012-December-12, 10:37

No, that's quant to 6N/6m. Over 1 or 2N opening in theory I play 4♣ as the ace ask, in practice I have yet to want to ask for aces over those openings.
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Posted 2012-December-12, 10:39

View Postjillybean, on 2012-December-12, 10:17, said:

So you must play 1N 4N as ace ask?

I do with one partner, but I don't think it follows from using 1N - 5N as quant. It is quite normal to play 1N - 4N as quantitative, offering partner a choice between game and slam, while 1N - 5N is quantitative, offering partner a choice between 6N and the 7 level.
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Posted 2012-December-12, 10:53

It is definitely useful to have some sort of ace-ask here. If 4♣ or something else (I use 4♠) is not available for this, or 4♥ Texas and then either 4♠ or 4NT, then one could make a 2-level transfer, and over partner's response bid something other than hearts or NTs. After this 4NT will be Blackwood. Maybe.
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Posted 2012-December-12, 12:17

KJx Ax QJTx QJTx is just about the only 14 count I can come up with that doesn't give 13 top tricks. I would just ask for aces whether it would be palooka gerber or texas then 4N, and bid 7N if he has 1.
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Posted 2012-December-12, 12:22

View PostAntrax, on 2012-December-12, 07:13, said:

What's wrong with 5NT?

Mike Lawrence wrote a book many years ago, in which the reader 'played along with him' through a matchpoint event with a decent but not great partner. On one hand, he opened 1N, partner bid 5N, and Lawrence explained that this was a quantitative bid forcing to 6N but inviting 7. He held a max so bid 7.

Dummy had KQx of hearts, and Mike held 10xx, and inferred from the lead that RHO held the A (and from the non double, plus the itchy look on RHO).

He had nowhere to go: even in 6N he needed the heart A onside or the J to be doubleton, and he knew the former wasn't working.

So at trick 2 he led a small heart from dummy, and RHO couldn't help himself...up he flew with the Ace, and Lawrence escaped with an average board.

What's most wrong with 5N is that it might be misunderstood.

What is also wrong is that it is utterly unnecessary. Gerber or Finch, even the non-professional versions, would work as well or better.
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Posted 2012-December-12, 15:08

View Postjillybean, on 2012-December-12, 06:54, said:

A hand from last night, partner opens 14-17nt :)

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Posted 2012-December-12, 16:26

What's wrong with transfer at the two level and then a cue-bid, asking for KC in hearts and asking for specific Kings afterwards?

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Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2012-December-12, 16:27

View PostAntrax, on 2012-December-12, 07:13, said:

What's wrong with 5NT?


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