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#1 User is offline   matmat 

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Posted 2009-October-06, 13:20

♠J54
♥AJ64
♦KQT94
♣5

third seat, all white, imps.

1♣ - (1♠) -

what is your plan?
(if you double, p rebids 2♣)
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Posted 2009-October-06, 13:39

x and 2♦.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

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Posted 2009-October-06, 13:56

X and pass. Barely good enough to invite, but it's very close, I have a singleton club, and I have no convenient bid anyway, so pass.
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Posted 2009-October-06, 14:13

matmat, on Oct 6 2009, 02:20 PM, said:

♠J54
♥AJ64
♦KQT94
♣5

third seat, all white, imps.

1♣ - (1♠) -

what is your plan?
(if you double, p rebids 2♣)

X and pass
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Posted 2009-October-06, 14:56

2♦, assuming it is not forcing to game.

I will not distort my hand with a double, only for the sake of being able to stop in 2♣ instead of 3♣.
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Posted 2009-October-06, 15:15

OleBerg, on Oct 6 2009, 03:56 PM, said:

2♦, assuming it is not forcing to game.

I will not distort my hand with a double, only for the sake of being able to stop in 2♣ instead of 3♣.

Distort?

And the reason isn't to stop lower in clubs although that is nice too, it's to not miss hearts when LHO bids 2♠ or 3♠.
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Posted 2009-October-06, 17:36

jdonn, on Oct 6 2009, 04:15 PM, said:

OleBerg, on Oct 6 2009, 03:56 PM, said:

2♦, assuming it is not forcing to game.

I will not distort my hand with a double, only for the sake of being able to stop in 2♣ instead of 3♣.

Distort?

And the reason isn't to stop lower in clubs although that is nice too, it's to not miss hearts when LHO bids 2♠ or 3♠.

Amen to this! In fact not doubling may be masterminding the hand.
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Posted 2009-October-06, 21:57

X and pass. The singleton in partner's suit downgrade advises against inviting to game.
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Posted 2009-October-06, 22:19

X and 2D.
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Posted 2009-October-06, 22:38

x and pass...scares me when I agree with them :)
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Posted 2009-October-06, 23:10

aguahombre, on Oct 6 2009, 11:38 PM, said:

x and pass...scares me when I agree with them :)

Scares you? :P

x and 2♦
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Posted 2009-October-07, 01:02

What sort of values does double then 2♦ show? Could it also be xx K10xx K109xxx x, or does that hand have to pass 2♣?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-October-07, 01:03

gnasher, on Oct 7 2009, 02:02 AM, said:

What sort of values does double then 2♦ show? Could it also be xx K10xx K109xxx x, or does that hand have to pass 2♣?

Yes I think it can definitely be that hand and is not a forward going bid at all. I'm simply betting on 2D being a better partial than 2C.
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Posted 2009-October-07, 01:05

I would downgrade to X and pass opposite a pick up partner.
X and 2 ♦ would be gameforcing with a one suiter to me, so this is out.
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Posted 2009-October-07, 01:34

gnasher, on Oct 7 2009, 02:02 AM, said:

What sort of values does double then 2♦ show? Could it also be xx K10xx K109xxx x, or does that hand have to pass 2♣?

For me - and I believe in standard neg doubles - Dbl then 2D shows a weaker hand than the one shown.

I double and then pass, misfit.
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Posted 2009-October-07, 01:36

peachy, on Oct 7 2009, 02:34 AM, said:

gnasher, on Oct 7 2009, 02:02 AM, said:

What sort of values does double then 2♦ show?  Could it also be xx K10xx K109xxx x, or does that hand have to pass 2♣?

For me - and I believe in standard neg doubles - Dbl then 2D shows a weaker hand than the one shown.

I double and then pass, misfit.

You're too strong to bid 2D ergo you pass?
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Posted 2009-October-07, 02:12

peachy, on Oct 7 2009, 02:34 AM, said:

gnasher, on Oct 7 2009, 02:02 AM, said:

What sort of values does double then 2♦ show?  Could it also be xx K10xx K109xxx x, or does that hand have to pass 2♣?

For me - and I believe in standard neg doubles - Dbl then 2D shows a weaker hand than the one shown.

I double and then pass, misfit.

How can double followed by 2♦ be weaker than double followed by pass?
What is opener supposed to bid with 2=3=3=5 and no spade honor?

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Posted 2009-October-07, 02:43

rhm, on Oct 7 2009, 03:12 AM, said:

peachy, on Oct 7 2009, 02:34 AM, said:

gnasher, on Oct 7 2009, 02:02 AM, said:

What sort of values does double then 2♦ show?  Could it also be xx K10xx K109xxx x, or does that hand have to pass 2♣?

For me - and I believe in standard neg doubles - Dbl then 2D shows a weaker hand than the one shown.

I double and then pass, misfit.

How can double followed by 2♦ be weaker than double followed by pass?
What is opener supposed to bid with 2=3=3=5 and no spade honor?

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Posted 2009-October-07, 07:24

Codo, on Oct 7 2009, 02:05 AM, said:

I would downgrade to X and pass opposite a pick up partner.
X and 2 ♦ would be gameforcing with a one suiter to me, so this is out.

I guess that means a direct 2♦ is not forcing?
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Posted 2009-October-07, 07:32

pooltuna, on Oct 7 2009, 10:24 PM, said:

Codo, on Oct 7 2009, 02:05 AM, said:

I would downgrade to X and pass opposite a pick up partner.
X and 2 ♦ would be gameforcing with a one suiter to me, so this is out.

I guess that means a direct 2♦ is not forcing?

I would rate that 80% of my pick ups and 95 % of the guys I know play NFB here, so yes, I would assume it.
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