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Poll: The Old Switcheroo (18 member(s) have cast votes)

What's your trick 2 switch?

  1. spade (3 votes [16.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.67%

  2. diamond (5 votes [27.78%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.78%

  3. club (2 votes [11.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.11%

  4. continue hearts (8 votes [44.44%])

    Percentage of vote: 44.44%

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#1 User is offline   daveharty 

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Posted 2012-June-08, 11:07



Matchpoints. You lead the ♥Q, asking for unblock; 2, 3, 4. Now what? If you don't think this is a pure guess, what factors into your decision?

Sorry about the diagram, I should switch it around so the green is in the center, but these were the actual table positions.
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Posted 2012-June-08, 11:36

Render unto Caesar, IMO.
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Posted 2012-June-08, 11:57

Partner has suggested a singleton heart with his play, so declarer has the AJ. I continue hearts, and hope to get in twice in spades to cash the last two hearts for one off.
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Posted 2012-June-08, 15:56

View PostQuartic, on 2012-June-08, 11:57, said:

...hope to get in twice in spades to cash the last two hearts for one off.

2 spades + 3 hearts = 2NT making, not one off. I'm not saying it's a bad idea, but maybe you thought you were defending 3NT?
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Posted 2012-June-08, 17:45

View Postdaveharty, on 2012-June-08, 15:56, said:

2 spades + 3 hearts = 2NT making, not one off. I'm not saying it's a bad idea, but maybe you thought you were defending 3NT?

Partner has about a 10 count, he's going to win tricks too.
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Posted 2012-June-08, 18:43

View PostCyberyeti, on 2012-June-08, 17:45, said:

Partner has about a 10 count, he's going to win tricks too.

I understand that; the way I read Quartic's reply made me think that he thought five tricks was sufficient. My mistake if that's not what he meant.
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Posted 2012-June-08, 22:59

View Postdaveharty, on 2012-June-08, 15:56, said:

2 spades + 3 hearts = 2NT making, not one off. I'm not saying it's a bad idea, but maybe you thought you were defending 3NT?


Yeah, I must have thought I was defending 3NT. My plan is still the same though, hoping partner has a trick for me too.
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Posted 2012-June-09, 02:15

I can't imagine doing anything but playing a low spade now.
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Posted 2012-June-09, 11:14

I'm continuing hearts. Even though I'm blowing a trick it should come back since I'm setting up tricks for us.

A spade could blow a trick and give declarer an entry. It also doesn't serve to set up many tricks.

Partner has 10-11 so its a matter of how much we beat this by.
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Posted 2012-June-09, 15:02

First of all, opener started with ♥ AJ4.

Counting points, partner has somewhere between 9-11 HCP depending on what the 2 NT is (assuming 20-22 HCP).

Any switch you make might finesse partner for opener.

So I'm continuing a ♥ with ♥ K. Hopefully, partner will catch that signal as show a preference for a ♠ return.

Also, there is a slight bonus in that partner can make an informatonal discard on the continuation.
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Posted 2012-June-09, 16:33

I think this is a really hard problem. I would strongly consider playing a heart. I don't even know how to solve it. A problem with a spade is that we might get forced to break a minor or play a heart later when we don't want to. E.G. we set up the spades, and then are put in. This is on top of the obvious problem with a spade that declarer may have AQ, and now we've blown a trick while not setting up our long suit, have given dummy an entry, and have the same getting endplayed issues later, which is very bad.

A heart is really dangerous too, we are giving declarer the tempo to drive a minor while also giving him a trick for sure. Our entries are also probably slow, which gives declarer even more of a tempo advantage. Ugh.

I do not know how to simulate this or figure it out. I'm just gonna go with I don't like giving up a trick 100 % unless I know it's right/I have fast entries, so I'll play a spade. GAMB00000000L.
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Posted 2012-June-09, 16:55

I gave this from memory to Joe Grue and Fred last night except I had dummy as 3424 and I forgot about the spade ten. With those completely significant changes they both thought a spade was clear. I don't really know what my point is.
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Posted 2012-June-10, 18:33

declarer has 15-16 hcp left outside hearts. p has 9-10
this hand rates to hugely difficult for declarer and it seems
wrong to decide to give them a free heart with no guarantee
we will score up 3 extra tricks. I vote for a switch to a low spade
because it requires the least help from p to be successful and
does not contribute a heart trick to declarer on a hand where it
looks like declarer will have nowhere to throw the heart and we
will get it later.

Leading a low spade also lets p know how I want them to
continue when they win a trick and might save us a tempo.
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Posted 2012-June-11, 13:57

The full hand:



Continuing hearts leads to +50 and a poor matchpoint score, any switch (except a low diamond probably) leads to +100 and a good score.
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